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Nameless · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:52 am Post subject: Act IV Chapter 9

Now that is a masterpiece of twisted evil. Having the people she trusts most talk her into accepting her fake memories as the real ones. Father Anatol would fit into that perfectly if he was actually working for Lucifer. Or not, it would not make any difference if he was really honest and trying to help her, the result would be the same.

As far as this goes, a lot depends on Zig. Will she realize what trying to "make her sane" is actually doing to Sheila. Will she be able to to tell Sheila the truth (and bring Anatol and others) to help her in this?
Sheila would have to know which memories are true, while pretending to all the people not in the know that she believes the other thing?

Henry_Hound · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:19 am Post subject:

Alright now that we've seen how Antol talks and some of the things he does it looks even more likely that he is Arden.
Here's my arguements
Zig said it felt like she had met him before but she's sure she hasn't
Antol's destroying the film in the camera sounds exactly like something Arden would do.
And what Antol did and said after he went back to Sheila. A few of the things he said are the same things Arden has said.

taspacecampjh · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:32 am Post subject:

Well Im glad everyone likes it and came to the same Idea I had last chapter when I looked into the future and read the first of this chapter

now to look ahead aging
*looks ahead*
o my this is intresting
*insert spoiler here*

Henry_Hound · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject:

Two possible reasons for destroying the pictures. and these only really count if Antol is Arden. (Which he probably is.)
Zig said no to the pictures but the nurse took them anyways. Remeber Arden has been kind of a protector for Zig when he arrived the first time. The same could said now as he made sure that the nurse didn't take any intact pictures away from the meeting.
And Arden never did like fursons that said they wouldn't do something but then did it anyways so it made him mad.
And Mike is right. Zig had no choice but to lie to Sheila. Everything was being recorded. Most likely Zig will wait to tell Sheila the truth after Sheila has been moved to a private care facility where they don't record everything being said and done. My question is wether James will be involved in that as we have already seen he is completely skeptical and doesn't really believe what Zig said happened. I'm guessing most likely not. at least not at first anyways.

webkilla · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject:

Hmm...

I doubt that Anatol = Arden

why?

Well, we all know that Arden will return in a form not the same as last - but Anatol has been around for a lot longer than that!!!

Arden would have had to be 'reborn' loads o years ago then watch everything happen to him once over, then step in and 'replace' himself...

James Foxx · Registered User Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 8 Location: USA

Thats confusing but I agree that he couldnt be Arden

spasticmustache · Guest

Unless Anatol lied about actually being related to zig zag. I remember him saying he woudl re-appear in another form, perhaps that form just happened to be like zig zag, that would be the best form in order to get close to sheila and zig again. if the amulet he was given was from a friendly entity, perhaps that was part of the gift...

Henry_Hound · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:52 pm Post subject:

Time is definately not a factor. Hell Arden could have been reborn as Anatol and magically retained the memories of the quest and also lived as Anatol. Or he could be sharing the body as he did in Shakul's body. There are lots of possiblities

Hikaru wrote:

Styx · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject:

Henry_Hound · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject:

Zig did say that she was never close to her mother's side of the family. And they didn't visit often so who's to say that she would have heard anything about it. It may be unlikely but not impossible that she wouldn't have known anything about it.

Henry_Hound · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject:

True but it was that one time and she neve got a name. So she really didn't know about Anatol just that her grandfathers stripes had been passed on to other relatives as they had been to her. And she didn't go looking for them so she had no way of knowing about Anatol by name or anything else for that matter, just other tiger striped skunks in her family.

Hortmage · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject:

An excellent chapter, Hikaru!

I predicted some of this in one of the other threads...the fact that Sheila would have 2 sets of memories, and not know which is the true one, since they both held equal importance in her mind.

Here, she tries to reconcile what she believes to be real with Zig. Because of the video camera, Zig does not support what Sheila thinks is true. Which confuses her even more.

I got a real wrench in my gut seeing Sheila's confusion toward the end of the chapter. It's one thing to read that she's being kept in custody because of psychological problems. It's another to actually see her detioration. She needs to get out of there fast, so she can talk with Zig and start putting her mind back together.

[OT]: Mike? When did your avatar become animated? (I've been out of town for the last several days, and tonight is the first night I found a hotel with high speed internet...)

hikaru · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject:

Bearion · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject:

Excellect chapter!

I, too believe that Anatol might be Arden.

There is something else to consider: Arden might be back, but he might not be Alive. When he was seeing the shrink, he asked for only evening appointments. Why? Is he unable to handle the Sun anymore?

To take this a step further, if he is something like Rathsmon was (who and what he knows very well) It would be easy to inhabit a body in several ways. He may even have ways that would retain the memories. If not, he might have looked through the FBI's dossier on Zig. I am sure it is very complete as only the government can do. I can even imagine the two agents talking:
Dean: "Hey Ralph! Guess who we get to investigate?"
Ralph: "Who?"
Dean: "Zig Zag! You know, the porn star!"
Ralph: "Whoa! We gotta do this right.
Dean: "Oh, yeah. We'll say we need to do a full family history, and ..."
Ralph: "And don't forget, we need to see all material involved."
Dean: "Right! That's a LOT of movies... <snicker>"
Ralph: "Yup! Gotta to a good job for the taxpayers."

Well....it could'a gone like that... Rolling Eyes

Bearion

Nameless · Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:09 am Post subject:

Hmmm.... I can see why the law would like to keep a close eye on Zig's activities... Embarassed