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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some day in the future, I'm going to destroy all that you cherish and make your life a living *beep*, and when that day comes you'll actually be stupid enough to thank me. One year to the day, you'll realize what happened and what you lost. Then and only then will you know something of my loss!

What I'm wondering is, what is Lucifer refering to here (his loss). His loss in general (being tossed out of heaven), or something specific?

Anyway, it seems that he plans to do something to her (or those around her) that seems to be a blessing but actually turns out to be a curse after one year. I can think of a few things, but nothing really "catchy".

As for Arden's new form, I can't see that Sheila will have a problem with him if he comes back as a regular fur (whatever the species) and she probably could even live with him as a "her".
One possibility would be that he comes back in his original (human) form. That won't be a problem for Sheila, but might give them other problems...

Then there is the possibility that he is seriously handicapped when he comes back. Like being a ferral animal (can't talk).

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nameless wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
Some day in the future, I'm going to destroy all that you cherish and make your life a living *beep*, and when that day comes you'll actually be stupid enough to thank me. One year to the day, you'll realize what happened and what you lost. Then and only then will you know something of my loss!

What I'm wondering is, what is Lucifer refering to here (his loss). His loss in general (being tossed out of heaven), or something specific?

The conversation had to do with Arden mourning his no longer being in the presence of God and that he was a mortal again, with all of its flaws and limitations. The loss he's referring to is the fact that having been cast down from Heaven, he's no longer allowed in the presence of God.

Nameless wrote:
Anyway, it seems that he plans to do something to her (or those around her) that seems to be a blessing but actually turns out to be a curse after one year. I can think of a few things, but nothing really "catchy".

Ummm... He already did it. At the end of the story when he gave Shiela her alibi, he did something that will turn her life into a living he11. That's why he said "One year to the day, Sheila Vixen, one year to the day." He was gloating. He'd screwed her over and she'd thanked him for doing it, just like he predicted.

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As for Arden's new form, I can't see that Sheila will have a problem with him if he comes back as a regular fur (whatever the species) and she probably could even live with him as a "her".
One possibility would be that he comes back in his original (human) form. That won't be a problem for Sheila, but might give them other problems...

Won't be human. There are no humans so it would cause all kinds of problems. Anything else is possible. Hell, he could come back as a henti tenticle monster like Squishy at ZZ Studios. *laughs*

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Then there is the possibility that he is seriously handicapped when he comes back. Like being a ferral animal (can't talk).

That would make it kind of a pain in the ass for ME to write. Much easier if the characters can have a direct dialog. Of course, I could make him a weird species such as a taur or a throw-back (digtigrade vs plantigrade like everyone else). Could even make him some kind of a total freak if I wanted to. However, that would create all kinds of social issues that I'm just not interested in having to deal with. I'm going to be screwing with the characters heads enough without tossing in such a cheap cliche as being "horribly deformed!" *shriek shriek shriek*

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikaru wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
Some day in the future, I'm going to destroy all that you cherish and make your life a living *beep*, and when that day comes you'll actually be stupid enough to thank me. One year to the day, you'll realize what happened and what you lost. Then and only then will you know something of my loss!

As you can see, Lucifer says that he'll make her life a living *beep* and she'll thank him for it. One year to the day {after that}, she'll realize what happened and what she'd lost...


Hikaru wrote:
Nameless wrote:
Anyway, it seems that he plans to do something to her (or those around her) that seems to be a blessing but actually turns out to be a curse after one year. I can think of a few things, but nothing really "catchy".

Ummm... He already did it. At the end of the story when he gave Shiela her alibi, he did something that will turn her life into a living he11. That's why he said "One year to the day, Sheila Vixen, one year to the day." He was gloating. He'd screwed her over and she'd thanked him for doing it, just like he predicted.


The first quote seemed to say that he was going to do something to her in the future, and in the second one you say that he already did it. (In both cases she would realize if one year after he did it).

Some things I can think of:
In one year her alibi is going to be found to have been faked, possibly because of Arden returning.
He hurt her body in a way that will give her big problems one year down the road.
Or by implanting a memory that will make her afraid of Arden, when he returns. The "person" who abused her (in the faked memory) looks the same. Or, because of her description of her abuser, Arden is arrested. Or someone else close to her.
Or she is found to be mentally unstable and her kits are taken from her and put into intitutional care.
He could have done anything else, of course, but I can't remember him doing anything else that was written in the story.

Hikaru wrote:
I'm going to be screwing with the characters heads enough without tossing in such a cheap cliche as being "horribly deformed!" *shriek shriek shriek*

Smile Shocked A brain! I need a brain, Arden! Wink Just does not cut it... Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, to mirror his loss, he made her "a creature of hell".
When she tries to marry Arden, she finds out that she can't enter a sanctified building, such as a church.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm..... I think that the next Act might start from where the first Act started and go on from there. "End of story Doc."

Somehow Arden is restored and is now in an asylum(If someone were to be found walking around naked and sputtering gibberish, what do you think happens?).

With soul being shredded into millions of tiny little pieces and then sewed up might cause some disorientation so he's now trying to figure out what was real and what not.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragon-Kitsune wrote:
Hmmm..... I think that the next Act might start from where the first Act started and go on from there. "End of story Doc."

Actually, I'm writing an Epilog chapter that ends the "Well, the doc told me to write this..." It won't cover ANY OTHER SUBJECT than that.

However, there will be a minor plot twist in THAT epilog too. Of course, I won't be giving away any kind of hint as to how or what Arden will be coming back.

Dragon-Kitsune wrote:
Somehow Arden is restored and is now in an asylum(If someone were to be found walking around naked and sputtering gibberish, what do you think happens?).

With soul being shredded into millions of tiny little pieces and then sewed up might cause some disorientation so he's now trying to figure out what was real and what not.

One who flew over the coocoo's nest, eh? Maybe... maybe....

HMMmmmmmmmmm Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikaru wrote:
HMMmmmmmmmmm Twisted Evil

Uh oh... I didn't cause that, did I?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucifer wrote:
Some day in the future, I'm going to destroy all that you cherish and make your life a living *beep*, and when that day comes you'll actually be stupid enough to thank me. One year to the day, you'll realize what happened and what you lost. Then and only then will you know something of my loss!


On the one year to the day Sheila would realize what she lost, maybe she would only be able to remember the fake memories for one year to make sure she couldn't accidentaly let something slip. Then one year after she returned she would remember what really happened and then she would know what she had lost. And she did thank Luci for it.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry_Hound wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
Some day in the future, I'm going to destroy all that you cherish and make your life a living *beep*, and when that day comes you'll actually be stupid enough to thank me. One year to the day, you'll realize what happened and what you lost. Then and only then will you know something of my loss!


On the one year to the day Sheila would realize what she lost, maybe she would only be able to remember the fake memories for one year to make sure she couldn't accidentaly let something slip. Then one year after she returned she would remember what really happened and then she would know what she had lost. And she did thank Luci for it.

Lucifer promised that she'd be able to access both her real memories and the fake ones any time she wants to, so that precludes her forgetting what really happened.

Nice try, though. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He never did say she'd be able to acces her real memories imeadiately though, and that's how that could have worked.
Oh well.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry_Hound wrote:
He never did say she'd be able to acces her real memories imeadiately though, and that's how that could have worked.
Oh well.

I'm affraid not...

Lucifer wrote:
You'll still have your real memories. They will exist side by side with you able to access either equally as well whenever you desire

Sheila will know she's got the old memories and will be able to access them.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoops my mistake. mental note to self 'reread certain things before making a fool of myself'
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh.. No sweat. I have such a lousy memory that I have to go back and verify stuff before I argue points like that.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does time pass differently while in different dimensions? Like 9 months in Ruddygore's universe might only equate to a few months in Sheila's world, or something.

Just another monkey wrench to throw in the works for those of us trying to figure out this story. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could if I wanted it to. I hadn't planned on it, though.

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