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Galadrion
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*Grin* I figured. But remember, I put that caveat on there... this is what my imagination dished up from what you gave it to work with. And I think it was some three months after I started reading "Destiny's Children" that you first posted a picture... and even more months after that before we finally met. *Grin* 'Twere a bit of a shock - though not an unexpected one - that you didn't match my mental picture of Kevin...
In particular, I think of six-foot-plus as big... football player big. And Kevin doesn't fit that image for me. *Shrug* So my subconcious pictures him as closer to my own height... though 5'9" is still taller than me. Ah, well, this is what I mean by your current writing style being a plus... it makes your writing more accessible no matter what the audience's hangups. |
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Catspaw
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: My writing may need to go on hold for a while... |
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| Concolor wrote: | [
Just because someone managed to convince some myopic editor to set up an offset press and turn his scribbles into a book with an actual price tag is, in my mind, not a particularly good indication of worth on the part of the story. |
It was Dell Yearling ... not exactly a shabby publishing house.
It was in a juvie S/F series under a house name. I had to do a bunch of sample chapters for them before they'd consider giving me an assignment. I'm not saying it was great literature, far from it ... though it was a great challenge working under the conditions they put on me and it taught me a great deal about how far the medium could be pushed. (It was a "choose your own adventure" book - and before you scoff, try writing 60 interlocking short S/F stories in the second-person present tense without giving ANY CLUE as to the gender of the POV character -- with no sentences longer than 16 words and no big words! In six weeks!) |
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Kinsfire
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Catspaw wrote: | | is there a reason why I can't get Destiny's Children? |
Yeah. It got moved to the Adult Bookshelf, which is at http://64.192.234.245/adult/index.html
Makes me think, though. In the Storm's Wake really needs a description saying that it's a sequel, since you really do need to read DC before reading ItSW.
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Kinsfire
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Galadrion wrote: | *Grin* I figured. But remember, I put that caveat on there... this is what my imagination dished up from what you gave it to work with. And I think it was some three months after I started reading "Destiny's Children" that you first posted a picture... and even more months after that before we finally met. *Grin* 'Twere a bit of a shock - though not an unexpected one - that you didn't match my mental picture of Kevin...
In particular, I think of six-foot-plus as big... football player big. And Kevin doesn't fit that image for me. *Shrug* So my subconcious pictures him as closer to my own height... though 5'9" is still taller than me. Ah, well, this is what I mean by your current writing style being a plus... it makes your writing more accessible no matter what the audience's hangups. |
Actually, this makes me feel good, since you did a good job on describing me and my face, now that I reread that post. I'm taller, and my eyes are a different color, but other than those, that is me. Since Kevin is Keith...
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Kinsfire
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2002 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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So, was it Catspaw or me that killed this thread?
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Galadrion
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2002 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Mm... think it was likely a combination of things, not least of which was the realization that this is something which only you can settle. That said, I need to add this: I hope you do continue writing - not least because going on a hiatus tends to make restarting later somewhat difficult. |
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Kinsfire
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Part of the reason I'm actually going to have to cut down on how much I read - it's extremely hard for me to get back into writing when I spend all my free time reading. It why I'll tell anyone who asks the same thing a number of writers say - try to write at least an hour a day - even if it's only an hour's worth of "I have nothing to write here". It'll keep you in the habit of writing.
One good note - thanks to CatEagle, I may be joining a story round on the Baen Bar. Why is this good (whith everything else I'm trying to write)? Because there are pros who read there, and are very good at telling people where they need to improve.
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Elfen_Furry
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| Kinsfire wrote: | So, was it Catspaw or me that killed this thread?
Kinsfire |
It was not killed. It was put into suspended animation until I found the "RELEASE" button...
Kinsfire, I've read the whole thread, and I'm still at odds with some statements or comments.
Every writer has their own style, and what I read of yours, I find to be individual to only you. Your characters are as you describe them. Some start off the starting block like a Liberachi Concert... Boy I miss him 
Others takes, need time to evolve, some even after death in the story. (Boy, and I finding that one out to be so true!) Some may take the entire length of the story/series. A few may start off in one direction, and then change, even at the expense of the story or character.
I like things as they are- as is. Tabular Rasa would destroy a story, or change it entirely so that its a different story. In my case, I had that choice when both current stories I had got lost for some reason. I was thinking of rewiting or restarting them in the past, but it was fortunate that they were found, or the stories I have would be very different.
My vote?
Rewrite-No
Revise-Yes
There is a difference,...
And keep up the good work. |
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Concolor
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: My writing may need to go on hold for a while... |
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| Catspaw wrote: | | Concolor wrote: | [
Just because someone managed to convince some myopic editor to set up an offset press and turn his scribbles into a book with an actual price tag is, in my mind, not a particularly good indication of worth on the part of the story. |
It was Dell Yearling ... not exactly a shabby publishing house.
It was in a juvie S/F series under a house name. I had to do a bunch of sample chapters for them before they'd consider giving me an assignment. I'm not saying it was great literature, far from it ... though it was a great challenge working under the conditions they put on me and it taught me a great deal about how far the medium could be pushed. (It was a "choose your own adventure" book - and before you scoff, try writing 60 interlocking short S/F stories in the second-person present tense without giving ANY CLUE as to the gender of the POV character -- with no sentences longer than 16 words and no big words! In six weeks!) |
No thanks! I don't have anything LIKE that much talent. And sentences no longer than 16 words? Seriously? Don't think I could do that, not old diarrhea-of-the-keyboard me. 
And if my post projected an attitude as cheery and welcoming as a running canker sore (which, upon re-reading, I did -- geez, what was up with me that day?  ) you have my most abject apologies. I did not mean to imply that Dell is a basement-sweatshop publisher. But, in my own (admittedly weak) defense, I've seen a distressing amount of substandard prose offered for sale in Walden, Barnes & Noble, and Books-A-Million. The thought that one of THOSE authors had the temerity to scoff at Kinsfire's work (Sorry! Sorry! That's how it came across) just made me mad.
I'll shut up now, before the egg on my face starts to congeal. 
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Rava
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Now I finish reading this, and I'm impressed.
Problem is, it's not just my characters. I'm not big on descriptions of things - a lot of what this person calls talking heads.
Basically, this person pointed out something that bothers me about some of my stuff. I'm impatient, and I like to get to the point. Unfortunately, a lot of things get left by the wayside, like descriptions of the world and its people. I am really something of a minimalist when it comes to descriptions, and that bugs me sometimes.
I really do consider what this person told me to be constructive criticism. It came across in that manner, as opposed to Gregg Guydish's e-mails.
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I found that too in my own writting. If you look at what I wrote in the first chapter and what i've written in the past few months you'll notice a change in writting style. Not a huge difference but a difference all teh same. There is no reason to stop writting or to even rewrite anything. Going back and adding a few paragraphs here or there might be all that is nessassary.
Rava's story is a work of improvment on my own abilities. I look at it as a matter of pride and refuse to go back and "fix" anything. I use each chapter as a learning experience. That's what I am proud of and thats the point of this story. To create and grow.... And entertain..  Otherwise what's the point in putting it on paper. (or screen or whatever  ) |
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Catspaw
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: My writing may need to go on hold for a while... |
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| Concolor wrote: |
No thanks! I don't have anything LIKE that much talent. And sentences no longer than 16 words? Seriously? Don't think I could do that, not old diarrhea-of-the-keyboard me. |
The 16 word limit bothered me no end ... they had this little chart that said what the sentence limits should be to make it readable by the average sixth-grader ... I figure any sixth-grader reading S/F is not average ... but they were the ones making the rules, so follow them I did ...
| Quote: | And if my post projected an attitude as cheery and welcoming as a running canker sore (which, upon re-reading, I did -- geez, what was up with me that day? ) you have my most abject apologies. I did not mean to imply that Dell is a basement-sweatshop publisher. But, in my own (admittedly weak) defense, I've seen a distressing amount of substandard prose offered for sale in Walden, Barnes & Noble, and Books-A-Million. The thought that one of THOSE authors had the temerity to scoff at Kinsfire's work (Sorry! Sorry! That's how it came across) just made me mad.
I'll shut up now, before the egg on my face starts to congeal. |
No prob, dear friend, I've seen some serious idiocies perpetrated in print myself.
I am pleased that Keith has such good friends that they will leap to his defense in the way that you all have. |
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Kinsfire
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It looks like a couple stories are going on hiatus for a different reason - my muse is apparently on vacation with Shirh Khan's.
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Elfen_Furry
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Kinsfire wrote: | It looks like a couple stories are going on hiatus for a different reason - my muse is apparently on vacation with Shirh Khan's.
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If you love them, let them go and they shall return.
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Fishburne
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Kill my muse? Are you nuts?
She's Selma Hayek! (ok, thats what I want her to look like...) 
Perhaps I watched Dogma a little too closely.
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Elfen_Furry
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Fishburne wrote: | Kill my muse? Are you nuts?
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Only if they dont return...
In my case, that would be when the sun sets behind a certain building in the distance, they have to be there! |
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