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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we can always warp space around a star and have it implode upon itself. That would not be very good for the inhabitants on the planets nearby.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, we can always warp space around a star and have it implode upon itself. That would not be very good for the inhabitants on the planets nearby.


Please don't think that I'm trying to find flaws in everything you come up with but how would an implosion of a planet harm a nearby planet.

Also keep in mind that on astronimical scale 'nearby' means 'a few billion kilometers'. That would have to be some [email protected]$$ explosion or whatever to affact 'nearby' planets.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Implosion of a planet probably would not harm nearby planets, unless debris managed to escape the implosion in sizes and quantities large enough to cause significant asteroid showers - a 100-mile-across asteroid, even at less-than-cometary speeds would cause some pretty catestrophic damage.

But Elfen_furry didn't specify a planet; he specified a star. Ways that could harm nearby planets (in this case, "nearby" meaning "in the same stellar system"):

If the star was the only stellar body in the system, obviously any planets in that system are on their way to becoming solidly-frozen lifeless bodies. Not destructive to the planets themselves, but any life on them is pretty much doomed unless it has a way to move to another stellar system.

Implosion of a star tends to release some pretty significant types and amounts of energy - having one's planet flooded by large doses of electromagnetic energy from the the far infrared up (potentially) beyond the cosmic could be disasterous to the ecosystem. And the alpha and beta particles which would follow wouldn't be much better - massive doses of hard radiation and radioactive particles can severely decrease property values...

If the star gets imploded to the point of forming a black hole, well, there goes the neighborhood... On a stellar scale, it will be a remarkably short time until all the planets in that former system get swallowed.

Or, if the "implosion" removed enough mass that the star would no longer hold together under its own gravitational field, so that it dispersed, well, there's no longer a stellar gravity well to keep the planets in orbit. Each planet would set off on its own long, long trip through the interstellar void - the same results as the first scenario apply, except that said life forms are relocating to another stellar system... without any guarantee that they're headed in the right direction, and without adequate life support to make the trip.

Brr. Grim scenarios, every one.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tygon wrote:
Elfen_Furry wrote:
Well, we can always warp space around a star and have it implode upon itself. That would not be very good for the inhabitants on the planets nearby.


Please don't think that I'm trying to find flaws in everything you come up with but how would an implosion of a planet harm a nearby planet.

Also keep in mind that on astronimical scale 'nearby' means 'a few billion kilometers'. That would have to be some [email protected]$$ explosion or whatever to affact 'nearby' planets.


Star. not planet. as in exploding the sun. very bad for us if that happened! Shocked Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishburne wrote:
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Elfen_Furry wrote:
Well, we can always warp space around a star and have it implode upon itself. That would not be very good for the inhabitants on the planets nearby.


Please don't think that I'm trying to find flaws in everything you come up with but how would an implosion of a planet harm a nearby planet.

Also keep in mind that on astronimical scale 'nearby' means 'a few billion kilometers'. That would have to be some [email protected]$$ explosion or whatever to affact 'nearby' planets.


Star. not planet. as in exploding the sun. very bad for us if that happened! Shocked Shocked


I'm only upping the antie from Terrian like planet to gas giant and now its Star. Different possibilities for different out comes. Lets say, what if you warped space about a nuerton star and imploded it into a black hole? Nothing would matter unless it has a twin sister star nearby, and orbiting planets, a couple with life, perhaps intellegent life.

Then they have a problem. But who would go about imploding nuetron stars?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More importantly, why would they go around committing stellar vandalism? The only purpose that comes quickly to my mind is using the resultant energy release as a signal, meant to be received by someone or something a long, long, long way away - which raises another frightening question: why do "they" need to communicate over such large distances?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets do a twist;
A long time ago, I heard that vampires in the manefestation of this world are really reflections from another dimension.

Thats why strong intensity light and other non-holy artifacts can kill them.

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Galadrion wrote:
More importantly, why would they go around committing stellar vandalism? The only purpose that comes quickly to my mind is using the resultant energy release as a signal, meant to be received by someone or something a long, long, long way away - which raises another frightening question: why do "they" need to communicate over such large distances?


INTRA-galactic reasons?
Or perhaps to effect this galaxy enough to alter its course to prevent a galactic collision in their "near" future?

Or both?

At best this could only be done by a lifeform(s) that has created a Third-Type Dyson's Sphere.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is "Dr Pepper" and "Mr Pibb", and the intergalactic ghosts!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whiterabbit wrote:
It is "Dr Pepper" and "Mr Pibb", and the intergalactic ghosts!



WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

ROFLPIMP!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, my mistake. I missed that we switched from planets to stars. Of course, the disapperance of a star would would render all planets in the system uninhabitable, either because the light and warmth is missing or the planets would lose their orbit and fly into open space (with the same result of course).

An exploding sun may even destroy the planets in the system, or at least the inner planets.

Elfen_Furry wrote:
Galadrion wrote:
More importantly, why would they go around committing stellar vandalism? The only purpose that comes quickly to my mind is using the resultant energy release as a signal, meant to be received by someone or something a long, long, long way away - which raises another frightening question: why do "they" need to communicate over such large distances?


INTRA-galactic reasons?
Or perhaps to effect this galaxy enough to alter its course to prevent a galactic collision in their "near" future?

Or both?

At best this could only be done by a lifeform(s) that has created a Third-Type Dyson's Sphere.


An actual reason for destroying a sun? Well, one reason would be if the sun would be hazardous to interstallar travel. Of course, doing that with a sun that had inhabited planets would be kinda drastic.

I don't think it would for communication reasons because even to reach the next solar system the signal would need years. That's just not practical. You could just as well send a radio signal or, if you have a laser that's big enough, a light signal.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tygon wrote:
Okay, my mistake. I missed that we switched from planets to stars. Of course, the disapperance of a star would would render all planets in the system uninhabitable, either because the light and warmth is missing or the planets would lose their orbit and fly into open space (with the same result of course).

An exploding sun may even destroy the planets in the system, or at least the inner planets.

An actual reason for destroying a sun? Well, one reason would be if the sun would be hazardous to interstallar travel. Of course, doing that with a sun that had inhabited planets would be kinda drastic.

I don't think it would for communication reasons because even to reach the next solar system the signal would need years. That's just not practical. You could just as well send a radio signal or, if you have a laser that's big enough, a light signal.


hmmm. long distance commo. back to subspace theory. and NO interstellar bypasses please. Vogon's make me queasy.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, the most obvious reason for blowing up a sun is clear: Total eradication of its system and good parts of the enemy with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishburne wrote:
whiterabbit wrote:
It is "Dr Pepper" and "Mr Pibb", and the intergalactic ghosts!



WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

ROFLPIMP!!!!


Nice to know that someone else seems to know that reference. Very Happy

I say the most obvious reason to blow up a star is because there is a big explosion, and we all know that explosions are cool. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whiterabbit wrote:
It is "Dr Pepper" and "Mr Pibb", and the intergalactic ghosts!



Grrrr don't bring life blood into this discussion! Dr. Pepper is the only thing that keeps me moving at night......Pibb is free range chicken hunting for all I care about it

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