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[PrincessB]

Wow talk about jumping the gun. I see no fighting going on at all, simply folks stating clear and simple this is what I beleive. By running around screaming 'fight fight' before there is even a fight will only encure a fight.

Let the sky fall before you scream in woe, Chicken Little!

Anyways back to our discussion that was prematurely interupted:

Tex obviously looked at it from a different angle than me. When I think of making anthros I think of scientist injecting and doing test on fetuses or making test tube babies since sceintist tend to like to start early like that. Now Tex looked at it like an adult making a personal decision. In that area I'd say, your body your choice, just take into consideration ALL the goods and bads of this decision cuz anything is much harder to reverse then to start. I mean there are folks now who have "whisker" peircings and tiger strip tattoos and split their tonges and do all sort of changes to look like their favorite animals and I would think that an adult choosing to become an anthro would just be a few steps up from what some are doing now.

An adult making a decision is fine and dandy, and if it becomes an option and someone I know does it I'd say 'all right thats your decission but do keep me updated on all the aspects of the new changes to your life, I'm quite interested as to how things turn out'. What I disagree with is forming someone from the beggining to be something else they would not normally be. Everyone should have the right to choose what they will or will not be.

And I call attention to the first part of my signature, if you have to go around screaming your point, and that goes for going around screaming about a non-existant fight, it only shows that you can not speak your case with facts which in turn only makes people think that its a good chance your point is false, think things through folks otherwise your only assuming. And really donkeys are welcome here but an ass is not...

[taspacecampjh]

>.> ok you did get me there... Yea I do think manupilating an undeveloped creature dew to the comlications of growing up diffrent strain heavly on a child... for example read Asalis's story "Kitten Caboodle"

now if the parrents were already anthros then I can see where embryo tweaking may help but untill that day I think we...
ok im just mixed feelings on now im yes and no so...

Yea we jumped the gun so to speak becouse sometimes you have to to stop the war. and its not yelling fight its saying keep it civial and yes it was starting to be a holy war within 4 post we have learned from past topics
and this is not the first this one came up

[Mewmew]

I can't believe anyone would be for the man-made creation of anthros. If anthros are to exist it needs to be naturally. Like I said before, and a couple others have said, too, think what would happen to the poor creatures.

It's only been within the last hundred years that people were being hung and burned simply because they had darker skin than the majority. People still are constantly being beaten, burned, hanged, and otherwise brutally murdered because of their skin color or sexual orientation. We treat animals that have been around for thousands of years, and though they're worthy of nothing but death. A friend has offered to let me move in with them, however the area they live in does not allow Pitbulls, so I will be forced to leave my dog behind if I move. If I try to take her, they could destroy her simply because of her looks. F**k the fact she's never laid a claw or toothh on anything larger than a flea. She looks a certain way, so if I take her to certain states in this country, certain provinces in Canada, or entire countries in other parts of the world, she can be ripped from me and murdered simply because of her looks.

When humans can learn to live with the living creatures we already have on this planet, then maybe bringing new creatures to life can be vaguely considered. But as long as we're killing wild animals for being wild animals, killing dogs simply because they're a certain breed, or killing our own kind because of skin color or sexual orientation, there is no f**king way in this universe that anthros should even be remotely thought of.

[bonehead54321]

Well My take on this may be the cleanest one cuz I currently do not belive in any one god. (main reason why I can be quite insane at times n.n;; But What if we could do the same changes without going into genetics and cloaning. But using your own mind. Yes I know I may have said this befor but ther are scientific studies showing that the mind if properly tuned can do some amazing things.

Anyway who knows. Having furries around may not be a bad thing. Sure at the start there will be some miffs but wasn't there the exact same problem now with black people (no offence) And the people with europe heritage thinking they are better than us all. Lucklay there is only a small amout of them.

If a furry race of beings was to start we would just have many of the same problems the ones on this planet already have. Luckaly it seems from my experience that us furs are quite good at working together. This is my veiw on things. Read it or dismiss it. But remember I have put ALOT of thought into this plus time and effort. And soon it shall all pay off.

I am not saying make new anthro's completely but just change us. The ones who already want to be like this. Wouldn't be the best thing in the world to go out fursuiting without a fursuit but with real fur? As I see it aslong as we don't do anything wrong. We will just be looked at funny for a small while and then it will pass.

[Ryan Fox]

Well I'm not religious at all.. and I DO have my reasons.
Soo... I said go for it. It's about time that people learn to accept the fact
that everyone is different, unique. This will just add to the variety. And if
they are on the same level as your average, or above average human, then they deserve to have rights...
Do yourself a favor and lookup 'My flatmate Kathy' on the net...
What exactly is it to be human?

[Leonato]

If Cirrel will forgive my quoting of his Novel:

[Sigurd Volsung]

First point we've already been modifiying creatures for thousands of year through selective breeding, which in a way is the first step to creating anything.

Let's look at the geneticly engineered creatures in well known Speculative Fiction classics, Rendevous With Rama, and Starship Troopers. In Rendevous With Rama there are engineered chimpanzees, who do the menial labor onboard starships, they react well to change in g-forces, and are smaller than humans and happy to do things thaty humans wouldn't want to do making them the perfect custodian (I work as a custodian, and trust me a trained monkey could do most of my daily work, except fot changing out lights). In Starship Troopers we have the Caleb, an genetically engineered canine, they were given increased intellegence and the ability to speak, though the speach was limited, they were basically created to be enhanced K-9 units. In both cases they were engineered with less than human intellegence and with a specific purpose in mind.

My point is this, if we create furs for the sake of creating furs, but with no specific use for them in mind, then we've done them as a specoes a disfavor. But if we could find away to re-engineer our own bodies into furs so that it is our own choice then sign me up for a wolf with tiger-sripes.

[Superlagg]

In my story, the Anthro-Furs were made with no one general perpose, but instead many other different perposes, failing each one in the process, making them, in a way, a succeeded quilt of failure. By the way of Universal Nature, the Furs shouldnt even exist. Through the Universal Nature's subtle way of erasing faults, the Furs are genetically faulted, having each one being aflicted with hemophilia ,which their creators tried to keep in check with a very high rate of blood regeneration that did nothing but make them bleed like fountains, most of waht they are are still just a furry human with changed outside. They essentially were furry, animal reminiscent humans that nature hated, created by humans with too much money and no idea waht they were doing, making thousands of a medicre product that its sole purpose is to exist. But that was the first generation, a very very flawed product that struggled to exist. That was before they hijacked a very large spaceship and basically worked out alot of the flaws through many many generations, making them alot better.

This is probbably how us humans would make an anthropomorphic creature (Except for the last sentence), making something that nature would constantly try to get rid of. We would fail at making an initial Fur in a very sad way. Though, if enough were made (Thousands) and put into a massive humanless environment, Furs would over many generations improve into something halfway decent.

[Orpheus]

I suspected that in creating this thread that it would turn to a religious showdown, but I'm glad that has recently subsided.

After reading everyone's (so far) thoughts I've formulated responses to all of them.
(Before I begin, let me make it perfectly clear that I do not believe in God, and personally hate him for he is not more then a storybook that teaches people to be weak, and give their money to pedophiles)

In response to Superlagg's initial post,
these were my initial thoughts when I created this topic, and have come to realize that there are very valid reasons why perhaps this should not be done (too soon)

Mike Regan,
this was what I thought every time I read a post claiming that we should not do God's will, more out of anger towards that person's ignorance.

Mewmew,
this initially made me very angry, but it would not be so bad. The human race is not as primal as you may think, there are people that are tolerant of others, they are called Canadians and I'm proud to be one of them. I also thought that we do not alter nature in an attempt to hurt it, we merely attempt to do things for, or to, eachother human beings, and nature happens to get in the way.

Superlagg's next response,

[Mewmew]

[Henry_Hound]

[taspacecampjh]

Ok I hate to use this as AMMO and I had been waiting to say it but....

If Michael Jackson is alloud to remove his nose and change skin color than we should be able to make anthros....

Gee was my head always burning like this? I smell somthing cookin. >.>

[PrincessB]

Heres a shock:

I agree with what Tex just said. (Yes the major MJ fan is agreeing with an analagy that could be seen as a put down to MJ.)

Its what I was saying earlier, when I first thought of making anthros I though of scientist tampering with unknowing babies. I do not agree with that, never will, do not tamper with someone/something that dosen't know and has no way of making a choice to say no.
But if an adult says yes I want to have this procceedure done to my body then that is their informed decission and no one else has a right to tell them what they can and cannot do to their body.

The world spends billions of dollars a year on cosmetic surgery (face lifts, botox, lyposuction, etc) how is changing your body to look more like an animal any different?

[ScottyDM]

[Ryan Fox]

As an individual I'm open-minded enough to accept another humanoid
species, or several varieties. Though I'll hate seeing the exploitation of
these individuals just because they're some product/creation of some
corporate giant.

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