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What Should the PF Army Consist Of? |
Ninjas with Machine Guns |
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Gold Robots |
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Goblins - And lots of em'! |
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Only People Named 'Doug' (the Canadian Army) |
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Penguins with Rocket-Launchers |
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Skunky Clone Troopers |
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The Macho Man, Randy Savage ... rapping! |
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Joshua Fox Administrator
Joined: 02 Apr 2001 Posts: 898 Location: The Canadian Rainforest
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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taspacecampjh wrote: | Ok this weekend while myself Maxx and Asalis were back at my home in abilene we came up with sum concluseions
First Planetfurry has deffently outgrown being a planet and is its own universe if not multiverse
Second not only do me need land air and sea based armys but with added info from above we need a space defence.... |
So unless I've missed the point (which is, as ever, entirely possible), then the PF military will require:
1. Infantry
2. Land Armor
3. Naval Forces
4. Air Forces (including Dragons, it would seem)
5. Space Forces
6. Special Forces (likely encompassing or incorporating unit types of the previous categories).
Any thoughts?
P.S. And no, we're not using a dang BOLO; those things are just ridiculously huge, slow, expensive targets. You might as well strip naked in front of a bunch of drunk bikers and paint a bulls-eye on your crotch.
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Shoobie Registered User
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Fairfax County Virginia
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Joshua Fox wrote: | P.S. And no, we're not using a dang BOLO; those things are just ridiculously huge, slow, expensive targets. You might as well strip naked in front of a bunch of drunk bikers and paint a bulls-eye on your crotch. |
For a guy who doesn't know anything about BOLOS, you sure make decisions on them fast.
If you read the BOLOS books, you'd vote for them too. Guaranteed.
PS - BOLOS are supposed to be seen. They are not slow. They are expensive, but you'd better have nearly unlimited firepower and be willing to suffer near total losses to take one out. Got two, and yer odds decrease even further.
Enjoy. |
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elMaxx Administrator
Joined: 01 Dec 2000 Posts: 1127 Location: Land of Mud
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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*raises hand and makes lewd hand gestures to fellow admin J. Fox*
Where do i sign up?! _________________ [Citation Needed] |
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Tygon Site Owner
Joined: 03 Apr 2001 Posts: 2497 Location: Isernhagen, Lowersaxony, Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Shoobie wrote: | For a guy who doesn't know anything about BOLOS, you sure make decisions on them fast.
If you read the BOLOS books, you'd vote for them too. Guaranteed.
PS - BOLOS are supposed to be seen. They are not slow. They are expensive, but you'd better have nearly unlimited firepower and be willing to suffer near total losses to take one out. Got two, and yer odds decrease even further.
Enjoy. |
Sorry, Shoobie, but you are so absolutely convinced that these bolo things are the supreme, unbeatable warmachines, you are practically begging us to take the opposite position.
Every author can come up with something 'unbeatable'. That's pretty easy and if they are really as powerful as you say I don't see a reason in reading thse books because they win every battle with ease. What's the point of reading the story then?
In any case, I would like volunteer myself as commander of the PFSF, the PlanetFurry Space Forces. _________________ Tygon Panthera - name and species
www.planetfurry.com/~tygon/ |
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Shoobie Registered User
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Fairfax County Virginia
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Tygon wrote: | Every author can come up with something 'unbeatable'. That's pretty easy and if they are really as powerful as you say I don't see a reason in reading thse books because they win every battle with ease. What's the point of reading the story then? |
Yer right, it wouldn't be much of a story if they won with ease. So i guess it's good that they don't win with ease. These are highly-aclaimed science-fiction works with great storylines, deep characters, and plots that will have you on the edge of your seat.
Pick up a book and read it. |
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Tygon Site Owner
Joined: 03 Apr 2001 Posts: 2497 Location: Isernhagen, Lowersaxony, Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Shoobie wrote: | Yer right, it wouldn't be much of a story if they won with ease. So i guess it's good that they don't win with ease. |
Which means that they can't be as power as you claim they are.
Sorry, this is nothing against you, Shoobie but as I said, at least I feel demanded to try and prove you wrong about this. There is no such things as 'unbeatable' or 'impossibe' in science-fiction.
Shoobie wrote: | Pick up a book and read it. |
As I said before, I can't get them in Germany so that will have to wait. _________________ Tygon Panthera - name and species
www.planetfurry.com/~tygon/
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Shoobie Registered User
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Fairfax County Virginia
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Tygon wrote: | Shoobie wrote: | Pick up a book and read it. |
As I said before, I can't get them in Germany so that will have to wait. |
I suppose I could send you one. It'd take time, though.
You can't find any online? Not even from Amazon? |
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Tygon Site Owner
Joined: 03 Apr 2001 Posts: 2497 Location: Isernhagen, Lowersaxony, Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Shoobie wrote: | I suppose I could send you one. It'd take time, though.
You can't find any online? Not even from Amazon? |
Too expensive to have them shipped to Germany, not to mention that Amazon will not ship many items to Germany. _________________ Tygon Panthera - name and species
www.planetfurry.com/~tygon/ |
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Superlagg Registered User
Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 224 Location: Place of Place Place Union
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Shoobie wrote: | Joshua Fox wrote: | P.S. And no, we're not using a dang BOLO; those things are just ridiculously huge, slow, expensive targets. You might as well strip naked in front of a bunch of drunk bikers and paint a bulls-eye on your crotch. |
For a guy who doesn't know anything about BOLOS, you sure make decisions on them fast.
If you read the BOLOS books, you'd vote for them too. Guaranteed.
PS - BOLOS are supposed to be seen. They are not slow. They are expensive, but you'd better have nearly unlimited firepower and be willing to suffer near total losses to take one out. Got two, and yer odds decrease even further.
Enjoy. |
Why not just launch a Dramage anti-matter torpedo at the planet. Cant have a huge ass tank on a planet with no solid surface. |
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Aramis Dagaz Registered User
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 174 Location: the City of Roses
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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taspacecampjh wrote: | Second not only do me need land air and sea based armys but with added info from above we need a space defence.... our first thought was of corse a long ship crewed by skunkfox clones.... can he say ramming speed ahead and yes you can guess the ship shape.... our minds went overboard |
I think we can use one of Mapper's ideas (CAUTION: Probably not work safe due to the puns). Imagine one of these Penetrator-class drop ships with a platoon of genetically-modified zero-g Skunky clones ramming into an enemy ship and the ensuing chaos and mayhem they'll cause, especially if they run into the bridge.
Now, for the BOLOS controversy...
I haven't read any of the BOLOS books, but from what I've read, the BOLOS tanks are supposed to be so high-tech and heavily armed that they don't even need to move in order to destroy an invading force on the other side of the planet, much like an intercontinental ballistic missile or bomber. However, the biggest argument I hear against the BOLOS is that they are infeasible and prohibitively expensive. Well, I propose a compromise: Tygon probably is using arguments that he might've learned from playing Warhammer 40K, where the biggest and most powerful unit invariably draws the most fire. So why not capitalize on that tendency? Instead of a full-scale BOLOS, instead construct one huge dummy, possibly adding in a big orbital defense gun to give it a little bite so invaders will take it seriously. So while the enemy is trying to destroy the fake that they think is a real BOLOS (assuming that they haven't turned tail and fled already), the smaller regular units can move in and take advantage of their distraction (just send a few Skunky drop ships blasting into their docking bays).
The disadvantages of this approach is that while the psuedo-BOLOS is nowhere near as expensive as an actual BOLOS, it will still be a costly endeavour. Also, our counter-intelligence agencies will have to be top-notch to make sure our enemies won't discover the truth, as part of our defensive strategy will be based on a ruse. In which case, this tactic is a deterrent only, something to suppliment the main defense strategy. _________________ Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks--those who write new values on new tablets.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Enter the City of Roses... |
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taspacecampjh Moderator
Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 529 Location: Abilene, Texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Aramis Dagaz wrote: | taspacecampjh wrote: | Second not only do me need land air and sea based armys but with added info from above we need a space defence.... our first thought was of corse a long ship crewed by skunkfox clones.... can he say ramming speed ahead and yes you can guess the ship shape.... our minds went overboard |
I think we can use one of Mapper's ideas (CAUTION: Probably not work safe due to the puns). Imagine one of these Penetrator-class drop ships with a platoon of genetically-modified zero-g Skunky clones ramming into an enemy ship and the ensuing chaos and mayhem they'll cause, especially if they run into the bridge. |
Umm yes Aramis thats very much what we were thinking but must be much MUCH bigger and longer and almost "pulseing" with SkunkFox clones ready to "Hard dock" with your ship
O yes thats gotta be one Sh"long" ship _________________
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Shoobie Registered User
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Fairfax County Virginia
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not trying to be rude here when I say "If you haven't read a single BOLO story, you really don't know what yer talking about."
The BOLOS books, while not as widely known as Star-Wars, aren't an obscure thing in the sci-fi world. Also, after the original creator (Keith Laumer) died, his son and many other famous sci-fi writers began writing BOLO stories. How many other creations recieve attention like that? Not many.
Then there's the stories themselves. They aren't just endless battles where you read about this gun shooting then that gun shooting then victory. There's several plots running at the same time, with deep and interesting characters, along with the action (and some BOLO stories don't even have a battle at all). The BOLOs, being AI themselves, have a character all to their own, and you really do begin to feel fear for them when they head into battle, get excited, get angry. Plus, BOLO novels and stories don't usually follow the typical enemy guidlines. I mean, enemies come in all forms, mindsets and tactics, along with some pretty interesting linguistics and characteristics, which really helps. You don't get the same ol' humanoid "evil person" thing like so many other stories. There are times in the books/stories where you go "oh man, this is it. he can't possibly survive this" and then it's just mindblowing how they make it through (if they do. Not all BOLO books end with a living BOLO.)
Before I leave this subject, I just want to note to those who don't know, but BOLOs (especially the later Marks) are DESIGNED to be planetary defense platforms. You can defend a whole planet with just one BOLO, even though BOLOS love to work together. They wouldn't have the reputation (literary and RL) that they do (nor thousands of years of history) if they could be so easily defeated.
Besides...I wouldn't have suggested we get one if I didn't have faith in them! What kind of fuzz would I be if I gave you nice folks a bum?
Alright, alright...I'll stop pushing the BOLOS. I just don't want to hear anymore dissing if you ain't read anything. |
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Shoobie Registered User
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Fairfax County Virginia
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Man, I suck...
Look at me raining on the parade...
Sorry. |
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aryeon Registered User
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 478 Location: nederland
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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i`l join the space force as a starship captian.
i love orbitle bombardments _________________ i`m not hairy it is fur. |
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Vee Are Are Schee Mini-Boss
Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 943 Location: sneaking in dark corners
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Shoobie wrote: | Man, I suck...
Look at me raining on the parade...
Sorry. |
Sorry? Sorry? That's not good enough!
No, for expressing your own opinions, you'll have to be, like, strapped to a rocket! And that rocket will have to blow up a BOLO just to make it ironic! |
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