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Daye
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 Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject: Feathers |
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Any of you out there doing the 3D thing every try feathers?
Hair / fur is bad enough, I can't even begin to imagine how I would go about doing feathers and getting them to look right. LOL who am I kidding? Mr. Madonna chest here. . . . 
1) Model them individually and end up with 75 bazillion polys and a six year render time
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2) Use image maps / transparency maps ( would probably look flat )
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Mapper
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texture map in combo with bump maps and transparency maps. not perfect but like ya said it would have a bazillion polys to make a true feather.
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Ryan Fox
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Hmm I know Maya Unlimited's got that feature, you could use some 3rd party plugins, but these require a whack-load of CPU power and RAM
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Little_Dragon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Feathers |
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| Daye wrote: | | 2) Use image maps / transparency maps ( would probably look flat ) |
Image maps and transparency are a good approach, and if you use a layered mesh (feathers beneath feathers) and stagger the arrangement you can give them some volume.
This example, rendered in Poser 5, consists of only 27 polygons. Not the best texture/transmap, admittedly, but what do you think? |
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Daye
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject: Doable |
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The methods I've seen used involve the layering of flat polygons with feather image / transparency maps on them. ( Exactly as you show ) They seem to work, but was thinking about the orientation nightmare of those polys.
On wing sections and main body it would be doable, but around the head and perhaps even the legs ( very small areas ) it would drive one to insanity I think
Though, aside from modeling the feathers individually ( not really practical ) I don't see another way of doing it myself.
-Daye |
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Ryan Fox
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Doable |
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| Daye wrote: | The methods I've seen used involve the layering of flat polygons with feather image / transparency maps on them. ( Exactly as you show ) They seem to work, but was thinking about the orientation nightmare of those polys.
On wing sections and main body it would be doable, but around the head and perhaps even the legs ( very small areas ) it would drive one to insanity I think
Though, aside from modeling the feathers individually ( not really practical ) I don't see another way of doing it myself.
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Why not use Deep Paint3D and paint the textures onto the model?
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Little_Dragon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Doable |
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| Daye wrote: | They seem to work, but was thinking about the orientation nightmare of those polys.
On wing sections and main body it would be doable, but around the head and perhaps even the legs ( very small areas ) it would drive one to insanity I think |
It helps if you're insane to start with ... saves a lot of time.
Example:
Every square inch of Wolfgang here (except for his head, hands, and toes) is covered in transmapped fur. |
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Little_Dragon
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* watches BriannaZombie lurch around the studio, moaning "Carrbbbssss" .... *
I dunno. Ever since they remade Night of the Living Dead ... it's just not the same any more. |
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Mapper
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Holy @%$%# LD.
Dawn of the road kill.
Excellent Halloween Avatar. 
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Daye
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Doable |
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| Ryan Fox wrote: | | Daye wrote: | The methods I've seen used involve the layering of flat polygons with feather image / transparency maps on them. ( Exactly as you show ) They seem to work, but was thinking about the orientation nightmare of those polys.
On wing sections and main body it would be doable, but around the head and perhaps even the legs ( very small areas ) it would drive one to insanity I think
Though, aside from modeling the feathers individually ( not really practical ) I don't see another way of doing it myself.
-Daye |
Why not use Deep Paint3D and paint the textures onto the model?
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The texture map method would work unless you were doing close up shots. Then it would become obvious the feathers were texture mapped pretty quickly.
I suppose I could, but me and DeepPaint don't get along well.
Well, sort of. It seems that everytime I get my licensekey re-initialized from the server, my system goes stupid and crashes. First time was a software failure ( Windows XP ) the second time was a hard drive crater. ( Have to release the key from the server before I can request it to authorize another load of it. Absolutely HATE that system. End up having to email them to get it working again. )
DeepUV does the same thing. Though DeepExploration doesn't. It doesn't require a server to connect with to work. Go figure. *sigh*
But, whatever. I'll have to think about it some more I suppose.
-Daye |
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