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What are his chances of leading a (relatively) normal life there? (And what happens to him?)
None (Prison, Zoo, Secret Lab)
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
Not for Long (Someone will kill him soon)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Bad (Accepted by a few furs)
25%
 25%  [ 5 ]
Reasonable (Accepted by those who know him)
40%
 40%  [ 8 ]
Good (Accepted by most furs)
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
Strange (Instant Celebrity)
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 20

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:59 pm    Post subject: A Human in the Sabbyverse Reply with quote

Now that we have a human in the Sabbyverse, how is the world going to react to him? (Not on a personal level, more on a general level).
Staying hidden in the woods is not going to be an option for him, he's going to try to lead a (more or less) normal life. What are his chances of doing this?

Question Since this story takes place in the equivalent of the USA, and I don't live there, I'd appreciate and input on how one would go about trying to get a normal life into gear. Apply for a work permit, citizenship, ... all those stupid stuff one has to take care of. Question

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fluctuate between any of the bad ones and the Instant Celebrity, so I voted for Instant Celebrity. (I can be very pessimistic about my country, and when I'm depressed at the same time... Confused )

Hmm, I wonder if he could end up working for Zig Zag...Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is a true society of furs then they must feel free to accept most forms of 'intelligent' life, like humans...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The premise of the Subrinaverse is that different species live more or less in harmony. There would be and are problems of course, such as those who are Purists. But most stories paint them as elitist (marrying the same species) but not genocidal. Having a "New" species wouldn't be such a stretch in that environment. In fact, none of the stories have defined a "Limit" to the intelligent species, so he could be passed off as a rare species that no one has documented yet. Wink

Humans seem to have both problems, so the worlds are not equal. Sarah would have a MUCH more difficult time in a Human world. Rolling Eyes

What to do to have a Human fit in?
.. Have him recognized as sentient.
.. Full medical battery of tests.
.. Register his Species.
.. Register him with the government. (Green Card)
.. Once he has a Green Card, he can get a work permit.

Now he can pay taxes like any other fur, and the government would be happy. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearion wrote:
What to do to have a Human fit in?
.. Have him recognized as sentient.
.. Full medical battery of tests.
.. Register his Species.
.. Register him with the government. (Green Card)
.. Once he has a Green Card, he can get a work permit.
Now he can pay taxes like any other fur, and the government would be happy. Twisted Evil

Now I realize that I've perhaps bitten off a bit more than I could chew with all that. It's not that I did not realize I would have to take (approximately) these steps, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I have no real idea on how to play them out.
Whenever I try to think about any "paperwork" kind of stuff my mind goes blank. Confused Evil or Very Mad
But these things are too important for the story to just have them happen offstage.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nameless wrote:
Bearion wrote:
What to do to have a Human fit in?
.. Have him recognized as sentient.
.. Full medical battery of tests.
.. Register his Species.
.. Register him with the government. (Green Card)
.. Once he has a Green Card, he can get a work permit.
Now he can pay taxes like any other fur, and the government would be happy. Twisted Evil

Now I realize that I've perhaps bitten off a bit more than I could chew with all that. It's not that I did not realize I would have to take (approximately) these steps, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that I have no real idea on how to play them out.
Whenever I try to think about any "paperwork" kind of stuff my mind goes blank. Confused Evil or Very Mad
But these things are too important for the story to just have them happen offstage.

It is quite a lot to do, and would require (IMHO) many chapters to do right. (If you include a story along with it. Wink) Doing the first three could, with care, easily be a novel length story depending on how much mistrust furs have toward a "Hairless Freak with a flat face and no tail".

Sarah displayed an admirable amount of caution with her guest, but she seems pretty easy going. Other furs, when faced with the unknown may not. Winning trust to a larger audience could be a big step to overcome.

The issue of sentience is either easy or not. I've wondered about those stories (Gone Wylde, to pick on one) that have ferals that communicate with the "primary" furs. What determines sentience? Are there laws in fur society that determine what "Class" a fur fits in? Tests?

Medical tests are a given. But extreme medical tests, arenít. Shocked

Recognizing his Species could include registering. I'm taking a note from Kevin and Kell with their "Species Registry" here. Since none of the other stories have mentioned it (That I'm aware of) you could (and perhaps should) ignore this.

Letís not forget that the government (United Species of America, or USA) would be a very different one then what exists today with humans. The paperwork may be easier than you think! Wink

Thatís enough for now. If anyone (Please) wants to add or rebut any of this, feel free!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess he could use a fur that is a good friend of Mulder and Scully. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, you may have given yourself an 'out' as it were, when you added the 'Star Voyager Human' comment. Although he may not match everything in the 'Voyager' storyline, his acceptance is more likely due to it, after all, would we (as humans) react as badly if a 'Star Trek' alien showed up in the flesh...
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2003 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it depended on which alien it was...

Vulcans are such stiffs that there should be a bounty on them...

Clingons... Well...
Would probably be popular among wrestling fans and rednecks...

Q?
Would probably end up being mugged while walking through Queens after dark...

Yes, I'm rooting for the Borg, but they would probably find themselves besieged by Nerds...
(Or scrap metal scavengers)

The only good that ever came from Star trek was Paul S Gibbs' work. (www.sahaaran.com)

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2003 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Star Voyager" is not exactly "Star Trek" or the "Voyager" series of that, but something similar.

Confused Hmmm, now I have to think about how the humans of "Star Voyager" are portrayed in the film. That might make a big difference on how the furs he meets for the first time react to him.
Are they one of the allies of the furries. Are they portrayed as honorable and trustworthy. Or are they the main enemies, those who want to conquer the whole galaxy, evil and untrustworthy to the core. Confused

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2003 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Confused Hmmm, now I have to think about how the humans of "Star Voyager" are portrayed in the film. That might make a big difference on how the furs he meets for the first time react to him.
Are they one of the allies of the furries. Are they portrayed as honorable and trustworthy. Or are they the main enemies, those who want to conquer the whole galaxy, evil and untrustworthy to the core. Confused

Excellent point! Since that is the only frame of reference for most furs.

I vote for allies. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinsfire wrote:
Hmm, I wonder if he could end up working for Zig Zag...Laughing

That could get interesting:
"Coming soon... the latest by ZZ-Studios:
You haven't seen real nudity until you've seen Furless - Freak of Nature!"

And as soon as the movie is out ZZ-Studios get sued by the producers of Star Voyager for copyright infringement. Instead of paying a gazillion dollars in royalties they will have to hand over the "technology" used to create an alien that looks more realistic than the "original". Laughing

Bearion wrote:
The premise of the Sabrinaverse is that different species live more or less in harmony.

Then everything depends on how furs would see a human: as a fur of exotic and rare species (then Chris is just another illegal immigrant) or as a non-fur, an animal, an alien.

Bearion wrote:
What to do to have a Human fit in?
.. Have him recognized as sentient.
.. Full medical battery of tests.
.. Register his Species.
.. Register him with the government. (Green Card)
.. Once he has a Green Card, he can get a work permit.

That would be the "official" way. And it would probably stop somewhere between step 1 and 3, when the authorities realize that he is an alien. Someone responsible for "security" would take over and the usual paranoid questions would start: where does he come from? Are there more of his kind? Will more of them arrive? What are their intentions? Can they be trusted? Can he be trusted?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nosnibor wrote:
"Coming soon... the latest by ZZ-Studios:
You haven't seen real nudity until you've seen Furless - Freak of Nature!"

Shocked Laughing Funny, but I can't really see this happening. At least not with this title.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a story on my mind about interdimentional travel where a human goes to sabrina-verse. Only thing is that my characters human bodies don't go anywhere. Concept's a little hard to explain at 10pm after a night where i slept for about 5 hours.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If their bodies don't go anywhere how could they travel to the sabrinavers, are talking about mental projection or something like that?
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