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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some other interesting possibilities out there. Dr. Jeffrey D. Koositra has some interesting ideas on aether theory, including the concept that the Michaelson-Morley experiment didn't detect anything because it was in the "boundary layer" around the planet. I don't know if he's right, but it leads to some interesting concepts.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elfen_Furry wrote:
Although, Without imagination, there can not be understanding, and without understanding, there can be no science- esp. physics.

A most cogent way of expressing the point I wanted to make! Thank you, Elfen!

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Theres an arguement that math and physics are of the same thing

I must disagree. Mathematics is a language, albeit a much more structured language than many people can properly understand. (Most people only ever reach a "pidgin" understanding of mathematics - they can count money, maybe perform a few tricks beyond that, but when it comes to the actual difficult concepts... glazed eyes, folks.) Physics, though, isn't a language - but it's inextricably tied to mathematics, as that is the only language truly suited to describing most of physics... or any other actual science. (That could be the touchstone for determining if a field of study is a science or not - if the math can be removed without completely rendering the "science" meaningless, then it's not really science - and it probably belongs over in the sociology department with the other fuzzy subjects.)

Well, must head back to work. Back later to see if I've managed to irritate anyone with this little rant.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:20 am    Post subject: Force an Work Reply with quote

I like the idea that Micalson Morley experiment didnt work, because of the, boundary layer. After all, space dragging is one result of the planets motion? I seem to remember hearing, that GPS sattelites have to have their clocks altered by 250ns per orbit, if you do the measurements, this is the length of time it takes for the sattelites signal to catch up with the identical point on the planets surface, due to the planets rotation. That is, its the extra distance a beam of EM radiation has to travel. Is this the basic definition of frame dragging?

The method for drive I was working on, is fairly simple, which is why I said it could be reduced to a paperclip.

Take a beam of coherent EM radiation. Microwaves are preferable, because they can be very high power, and are a good size to be able to produce the prototype drive. Being a beam, means the radiation is, for the moment, self containing. Next, place a charged partical, very small and light, in the beam. Because of the varying electric field, assuming linear beahaviour, the particle will oscilate around a fixed point. This is the same sort of behaviour as a cork in still air, on waves in water. If a wire is connected to the charged particle, and left free, then the wire will feel an oscillatory motion also. If two such particles are connected together half a wavelength apart, then there will be no resultant motion, but there will be a movement of charge from one particle to the other, because of the inverse electric fields. If a loop is now formed in the wire, and ajusted so as to cause an electric field of correct amplitude and phase, the charges on the particles will be synchronised with the electric field of the beam, in such a way, as to create an overall unidirectional force on the particles.

Next, connect the particles and wire to the microwave generator, place in a resonant structure, and leave in orbit. Will the overall structure continue to accelerate.? As far as I can tell, it does, and the values I get when doing the calculations, are so low, for single charges and electron volt levels, that they must be similar to the socalled vaccuum field.

I would like to compare my idea, with anyone elses, to see if theres any comparisons. Cool

The main thing is, if this is true, then this drive gives force for energy, and power is only used overcoming inefficiency. The more efficeint, the less power is required for a given force.

That is, how much power does a table use, to accelerate a cup of coffee at 1 g Cool

I know.. its totally insane, but then, so was speeds greater than 30mph, speed of sound, manned flight, space travel, steam ships.

I use a simple method. If somethings impossible, I try it anyway, to make sure I havent been lied to, because the other guy wants to keep the power of magic, religion, science etc over those he considers lower then him, that is, everyone else.

Secrets are power, knowlege is power, but treated with dignity, knowlege is far more powerful than secrets.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rod... Love the explaination of the drive function (theory?).

One major problem lies in the fact that this is an ever explanding universe (at a rate of 7 miles per second), one that time-travelling stories forget. Also is that the universe is in constant motion. The Earth move about the sun, the sun moves about the galactic core, the galaxy upon the Virgo Super Cluster about.... well you get the point.

Being in the future, trying to time travel into the past, would be catastrophic if one were off even by the slightest calculations. With problems being: a) a 7mile high giant stepping out of the portal and into the calculated coordinates, or inversely- a microscopic almost subnuclear miget coming out of the portal or b) Corrdinates end up a few tens of thousands of miles in space.

(Damn... class is coming in...) If I remember- I'll continue with this train of thought when I return..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I IS BACK!!
...and damn, my train of thought derailed...
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Sometimes, it must be said, that despite the technological advancement of man and furs, that we are perfect souls trapped within imperfect bodies. The mind wants to go beyond the confinds of its worldly restraints, but the body cant. Hence, we are but god trapped inside a vessel of imperfection.

Everyday, we step closer to a new frontier, and one day, we will be star hopping and time travelling. The question is- at what cost? In order for Furdom and mankind to evolve to the next level, that of more into a god-like being than a limited corporal being, there must be many factors it must over come.

Can you (dare) imagine, with the problems we have today, showing up at the door steps of Kiasha Corp? A terrorist over throw of the company building/complex and hence, its time travel project? My, that would be a tradject story within itself... "Grandsons of Bin Laden/Hussien", after killing anyone that moved through the main complex, manged to find their way through the maze of doors and halls to the main temporal complex. Iron Raptor lays in ruin, after having its chest blown open by a portable RPG. With nothing to defend the complex, most of the scientist were spared death, for access to the time machine. But they refuse, and each meeting the fate of meeting their maker for not cooperating. With the entire staff dead, the terrrorist bring in their best hackers to do their best to gain access to the time machine, and succeed after several hours after the inital blast that gave them entry to the complex. But, which time period the portal opens remains to be determained, for in their quest to time travel back in time, they did not care how far back they went, as long it was far enough to win their cause..."

But, I hope that by 2032, things would have changed significantly enough that this scenero is not likely to happen, but as a parallel thread of the infinate timelines... who knows what they might cross themselves into.

Calculations must be done the Coordinate level and on the Incurrsion level, or else, the consequences would be too far catastrohpic to even think of bearing. Suffice to say that in case "2+2 not= 4".

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Force an Work Reply with quote

RodTerl wrote:
I use a simple method. If somethings impossible, I try it anyway, to make sure I havent been lied to, because the other guy wants to keep the power of magic, religion, science etc over those he considers lower then him, that is, everyone else.

Good method, RT, but you're making a very basic mistake. Never assume evil intent when simple stupidity adequately covers the circumstances... or to put it another way, most people don't have the brains to be deliberate villains. But for any particular piece of monumental idiocy, there are (and always will be) a freely-available oversupply of idiots.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Force an Work Reply with quote

RodTerl wrote:
I use a simple method. If somethings impossible, I try it anyway, to make sure I havent been lied to, because the other guy wants to keep the power of magic, religion, science etc over those he considers lower then him, that is, everyone else.


Galadrion wrote:
Good method, RT, but you're making a very basic mistake. Never assume evil intent when simple stupidity adequately covers the circumstances... or to put it another way, most people don't have the brains to be deliberate villains. But for any particular piece of monumental idiocy, there are (and always will be) a freely-available oversupply of idiots.


As true as that maybe, there are too many circles of private society that would rather endulge on the pleasures of discovery than it is to share with others.

One does not have to be villianous to achieve this end, but greed is more like the culprit.

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This subject was briefly touched upon, and I would like to clarify and concretely cement the concept where I think it goes.

Math and science are two different things, like appeles and oranges.

Math is a language as was stated previously. Math is about numbers. Math is about measuring things, applying labels to things, and about the interactions of various things. Math is used to describe, and to communicate.

Science is a way of thought. Science is a method of solving problems. At the core of various specialised fields of science lies the scientific method, THE thing that defines something as a science.

Math is used commonly in sciences as the precise, relevent language to describe things and communicate between scientists.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With how I under stand it warp and space fold are similar. The only way to acheave true faster then light travel is to create a fiel around the ship of normal space then warp or disrt the local spave time coninuim

With space fold you are trying to tuck space around the ship and create a pocket that makes the space the ship able to travel threw a sort of tunnel. however with warp you are mearly bending the local space time continuim around the ship In a kind of of arc makeing longer distances into shorter one. Am i some what one the right trac?
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.O.M., yes you are on the right track, but that is only oe way of doing it. There are others.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:21 pm    Post subject: Time Threat Reply with quote

Hmm.. In the Sabiverse, theres one slight problem with anyone trying to take over the time portal..

Terl got there first Cool

I know, I know.. if you have time travel, your Always first.. but.. you have to Get time travel to become first, so the paradox is, anyone who creates a time machine, or such, Has to keep an eye on Everyone else, just so their work cannot be preempted.. Is why Govts are not really a good candidate for such things. they get a bit Too Microsoft in their machinations.. Hmm.. what was it?. Time Cop maybe? 8}

Seeing as Iron Raptor was a specialist military piece of hardware, Id think anything normal would have a very hard time even impacting, nevr mind damaging him.. after all, thats what UWB doppler phase RADAR, and Metal Storm interception systems are for 8}

Of course, in 20 years time, those will be So old fashioned Cool.. I like my RF Acoustic field generator, or even the grav field generator. Cool.. Just a Little Squeeze, and your cleaning brains off the cieling Cool

The problem between maths and physics, is that most often, maths is Written down, like taking Photographs of an experiment. If you look at a formula, or a picture, you learn a lot, but, if you run the pictures through one after another, or process the formula in some way, then the Outcome of the two can be made to approch equivalence. Which in Reality, as Percieved. Cool

Its lie one person saying an orange is blue, another saying its fish, whereas, if you could see it outsinde of reality, it would be rectangular.

Which is why I fond most religions very confusing, and often highly offensive 8( I dont mind the Deity(s).. its the People trying to Impose their view on assumed teachings 8(

Dont forget, the average person only agrees with Themselves on average. Why do you get accidents otherwise.. their measure of reality, didnt measure up with everyone elses, at that moment in time.

An interesting thing about a complex gravity field, is that at low energies, the imaginary part increases faster than the real part, giving a repulsive effect.. at High energies, the real and imaginary parts approach equivalence.. but, two interacting masses react more in imaginary values, hence the centre of a baclhole, is Hyperbolic Space Time, making the singularity a non approachable hypersurface, surrounding the throat of the blackhole/wormhole.

Hey, dont blame Me Cool.. If the laws of physics, As we know them, break down at the singularity, Why Try to use them to descibe what a singularity Is Cool

I Have Got to get this stuff sorted 8(

Wish you all the best Cool

RodTerl

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