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[RCraccoon]

well im sorry that you feel that way but the money we spent and still are spending on iraq is more than neccessary and is something that i, a person who make very little money would with out blinking dish out all my money to support. because what the public doesnt realize is thatthe people over there are very different than us and they have been taught from their early childhood that americans are inferior that they are pure evil and that they must die because of their beliefs and when that is all that you know from an early childhood it is not something that is forgotten very easily and if we dont eradicate every single one of them they WILL regroup and they WILL attack us again. and that my friend is something that can be proven.

i apologize for getting off track in this thread but as someone in a military family i felt i needed to voice my opinion on that subject.

[RCraccoon]

[Marble Didymus]

[Alexi]

[anthony]

[Styx]

But according to the "Experts" socialized medicine doesn't work the othe countries who use it just aren't aware that their whole system is about to crumble down around them because of it [/sarcasm] Then there are those who ask. Why should you have to pay for my medical tretment? When what they really mean is. Why should I have to pay for your medical treatment? All I have to say is I'd rather pay for someone to receive the medical care they require then to have to pay for some politician's pay raise or vacation or what ever else they make us flip the bill for. Ticks me off

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[Syrius]

[admford]

[Rabbit]

[Leonato]

An often overlooked difference between the USA and other European nations, in these discussions, is size. In most European nations, its a much easier proposition to manage a health care system, even if that management is through a bureaucracy. The sheer size of the system here in the USA, its far to easy for the system to be taken advantage of.

Health Insurance companies have discovered an alarming trend here in the US as well, when they provide good solid care (even with copays) its often abused, costing them a TON of money in the end. Talking... people going to the ER for a scratch kind of thing. This has lead to an interesting development... there are some companies that still offer the low deductible insurance, but as time goes on, its very hard to sustain. This has caused many companies to shift to offering, and often times nearly PUSHING a high-deductible plan, that only kicks in after several thousand dollars of deductible. This is to put the choice of health care back in the paws of the person receiving the care. To be able to shop the market for whichever source of health care provides the best value. Since the deductible is high though, the government actually hatched a decent idea. Allow people to save this money completely tax-free. It's a plan called HSA, a Health care Savings Account. The nice part is though, this means all health care stuffs, even over the counter headache medicine, can be bought completely tax free.

Now, this does nothing to help in cases where some law has been manipulated to get the insurance companies out of something. Like in the case you very clearly stated Admford. But I think the solution here is not going wholly over to socialized medicine, but a rewriting of those errant laws, that as you point out, violate the spirit of the declaration of independence, and possibly the constitution itself.

As soon as this nation made the transition over to socialized medicine, its cost would balloon out of sight. Our past experience with health care coverage has shown this. As far as the success stories of socialized health care, there are an equal if not greater number of horror stories of poor or lackluster care. Just as there are horror stories of families not able to pay health care costs in America, there are also tons of great stories of whole organizations dedicated to providing the cost for care of children in particular, so the families don't have to pay.

I suppose my point is... the US's system of health care aint perfect (there is no such perfect system the world over), but it is NOT broken, and NOT in need of a total overhaul to something even more social than it is. Especially since any such change would only grow government, and raise taxes further, further diluting our freedoms to choose our care, and choose how to spend our money, instead of it being taken and spent by the government.

And, in the spirit of full disclosure, myself and my foxy owe over $6,000 in medical bills, as a result of high-deductible health care. The total cost of said health care though, nearly reached $40,000 by the time it was all said and done. So, even though we are struggling to pay off the $6k it sure beats $40k. And we were completely FREE to choose our doctors, and hospital (we both had a hospital stay). Had complete access to our doctors ratings as well, so we knew what kind of service we would get. Thankfully, in my wife's case, I already knew the surgeon personally, so there was no concern there. My point though, is that the information was made available to us. When it was 'my turn' I was sure to look into my Dr. especially the one who was to do surgery on me. Turned out he is (and has been) a great Dr. who took good care of me. Anyways, I digress.

And to return wholly to the subject at paw, I will continue to attend these tea parties, as they are held in this great nation of freedom. And continue to use my right to protest the government's wasteful and very socialist spending of my money that they have taken from me.

That makes up my 2cents, a value that is falling almost as fast as the value of our dollar, now that they think they can get around the problem of spending 10x as much money as Bush (NOT a saint, not defending him, he was a <censored> turncoat when it came to spending), by just PRINTING the money.... anyway, another point for another discussion. Thanks for reading this far at any rate!

PF's resident Lynx/Domestic Reader/DJ,
Leonato

[Sigurd Volsung]

This summed it up nicely for me
http://www.care2.com/causes/politics/blog/anti-tax-tea-party-2009-roundup/

[ScottyDM]