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webkilla
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my experience with human nature is what leads me down the path of pesimism. look at enron - thats free market and the exploitation of it at its fullest.

imo then a free market economy that isn't regulated by governments who're supposed to have the people's interests at heart would spiral out of control - people will always try to monopolize and maximize their advantages over others.

and having seen Sicko - where people who couldn't pay their medical bills quite literaly were just chucked out on the street on the other side of town - then i doubt that it'll be any different if there just isn't a government to say stop, as opposed to one that just doesn't

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You observations on human nature and your pessimism are noted, but irrelevant. Absolute freedom means that those people are free to act that way, despite your dislike. Just as you are free to act in a charitable fashion, despite their disdain. At the moment, they are free to act that way (hence your experience with them) for the most part, while you are not free to exercise your charity, due to your monies being taken from you by your own government.

Again you miss the point where a free-market concept is the core, but the judicial branch exists to regulate that freedom, as necessary, for the betterment of the society. In your example, laws would be created and enforced that limit one entities freedoms partially in order to protect others'. The freedom of a corporation, for example, seems to have lesser importance to you than the freedoms of an individual. Perhaps laws would be geared along those lines then.

Your example of medical care is again brought up. Plain and simple receiving medical care costs X amount of dollars. X is influenced by the laws of supply and demand.There is an inescapable web of factors which enforces this simple concept; either your familiar with them or your not. But if Bob wants medical care, and Bob does not have X dollars to spend on that medical care, then plain and simple Bob does not get that medical care. If you, out of a sense of charity, decide to give Bob a gift of money, and pay for his medical costs, then you are free to do so.

What if Bob was injured in a car accident? Because he was drinking, and ran into someone you love's car? Should you not be free to decide maybe to give your charity to someone else? Wither you would or not is moot, you should have the freedom to choose. We can come up with examples left and right all day if you want.

Your problem is more about the idea that someone could be hurt/sick and in need of medical care, and not get it. You clearly overlook the concept of wither or not that person deserves care. You omit the possibility that some people simply don't deserve it. The concept that someone else should be free to decide that very thing seems foreign to you, by your words.

On the other hand, by not following your assumptions, and instead focusing on freedom, that man getting tossed out of a clinic and denied health care had the freedom to ensure he would be able to receive the care he needed if/when he needed it. With freedom comes responsibility. As it stands, you would give Bob that health care and have everyone pull his weight. Bob has no reason to be responsible for himself. If Bob survives then next time he'll be more responsible, and ensure that somehow he is able to be cared for. If not, then he serves as a lesson to those who know him.

You'll of course bring up those people who somehow simply cannot prepare, despite being responsible. I say nay. That is what insurance schemes are for, and what charity of family and friends is for. Bob may be on hard times, but it behooves Bob to be a kind and friendly person to his neighbors, so they are willing to help him out when he is in need. It behooves him to help them when they are in need. Not only is that part of responsibility, it also fosters a stronger community.

The difference is that Bob is free to do so, or free to be a jerk and remain aloof of his neighbors. Then when Bob gets kicked out of the clinic, and dies, it is his own fault.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you forgot naylors depiction of black people (the hyena characters)

first there's incestucously molested girl, her father the terrorist (black terrorist, how original)

then there's the black strippers who's rears get the *smek smek smek* treatments because we all know that black people like getting their booties spanked, right? I mean, them all having been slaves once, so its in their blood to get a good beating? (do notice the sarcasm here...)

but yes - naylor isn't very nice imo, but its not just his politics, its the way he treats those who question his politics - like how he did me over, plus anyone else who've commented on his LJ or FA submissions.

imo i then i think that naylor is misreading the drooling fanboys that just want to pirate off his porn as a 'loyal fanbase of likeminded followers'

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my standpoint I think the comic is humorous, but could certainly do without the adult themes. (Or at least deal with them more indirectly.)

I appreciate how consistent the art is, and the style is easy on the eyes. I read manga and if I can't stand the art, I can't read the story.

One of the biggest plus's for the comic is its dialogue. Too many comics rely on action images to convey story, but it takes good dialogue to develop likeable characters. I've only read up through chapter 6, but I'm already attached to Fisk and his family. (In the manner that it hurts to see the hadships they go through.)

It's a good read, regardless. And I'm certainly going to continue reading it.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started reading the comic a little over two years ago and I've enjoyed it ever since. Regardless of the authors attitude or views, It's certainly one of the better web comics that I've discovered in recent years.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of the comic. it looks like its having more trouble.

http://www.jaynaylor.com/betterdays/

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neko-san wrote:
I started reading the comic a little over two years ago and I've enjoyed it ever since. Regardless of the authors attitude or views, It's certainly one of the better web comics that I've discovered in recent years.


true dat - better days has loads of character development, loads of juice plot and plot-twists... if anything bad can be said about that then it'd only be that at the rate naylor is aging his characters he'll either have to introduce a whole new generation of characters soon, or have some plot-lines stay in one point of time for a while

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've hit a point in chapter 16 where it tells me the page cannot be found. Even after trying several other links and opening a new browser I still can't get in. Bummer. Maybe I'll wait for things to get straightened out.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He-hey! There we go. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hes going for a D&D parody? Shocked

http://www.jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/2008/06/chapter-22-roll-6.html

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asalis wrote:
Hes going for a D&D parody? Shocked

http://www.jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/2008/06/chapter-22-roll-6.html


Yep. It's D&D for sure. I don't know about a parody, though. Looks fairly straight-forward to me. I haven't played in the last decade or so, but it looks a lot like what I remember.

This is one of my two favorite webcomics, along with SOtS.

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