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D.F. Thompson · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject:

Ok I've been a fan of Anthromorphic stories and comics since the early to mid 80's. The question should we or should we not create Anthromorhic life, or any form of intelligent life. If I may some of you have made some very valid points.

ScottyDM · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:

Let's take another approach to the question.

Assuming it does happen, then what do we do?

Eccentric millionaires
Poorly supervised, but well equipped grad students
Corporations with a commercial application
Government agencies with a social application

How many of each of these exists in the world today... in the next 25 years... 50 years?

As far as the rights of a newly created anthro, perhaps being owned by a corporation (especially as a multimillion-dollar prototype) would afford more personal protection than a pile of federal and state laws... at least against a knuckle-dragger with a closet full of weapons. Hell hath no fury like a large corporation with a team of overpaid and under worked lawyers.

I have this friend who works at the Stanford Medical Labs (as an employee, not a grad student). His "hobby" is synthesizing proteins. So he stays after hours and goes in on weekends. His bosses know he does this and don't mind because (I presume) all that practice makes for a better lab worker. They even let him use small amounts of the peptides and whatever it is he uses, and they let him buy stuff on company account. His experiments are unsupervised.

That's just proteins, but what about the gene-jockey of the future?

Scotty

Jaymee Fox · Site Owner Joined: 02 Jun 2003 Posts: 582 Location: USA

Alrighty,

I have my religion. my beliefs. I believe in God. He has already placed himself before me in other ways. So many stories to support that but I'm not going to say this on here.

First of all I would opt for furry look so I dont need to worry anymore about facial hair!! right ladies ;~;

My ears wiggles irl. and actually they do perk up but can't see because of my hair covering my ears. I would love to have my ears wiggling and showing it's expressions. My dog's ears does that and he is so expressive just by his ears.

I have talked about this before with Nyx (no one you guys know on PF but some on SL) We listed the pro and cons. mainly are cons : have problems with fleas, bathroom in a standard toilet, do we have to stand in shower to pee better with our tail not in the way? Shopping. can't wear clothes anymore because 1. they bulk agianst your fur, 2. might not fit and stretch the collar as you struggle to slip it on and then you end up paying alot of money. oh yeah for ladies. skirts. what if you wagged and your skirt ripped. ;~; um. food. we'd be limited because not all of us like foxes, or whatever could have specific food. no more sushi for fishmophs :/ We'd be inside alot just to avoid alot of problems, no driving. sleeping alot. animals sleep alot than we do humans. How can we work? no human would want to hire us.

The young lady a while ago in the forum is right. we'd be slaughtered and killed ;~; so you gotta be rich, live in isolated area. um. find a way to travel to not get poked at picked at. the society IS messed up. Someone i knew back in 1998 want to buy an island for real and make it only furry area. where we all change into furries and live there.

I would like to have tail, ears, claws. fangs but i want them to go away so i can be a human. I was born human I'll die human that's my life choice.

Just be grateful you're alive and stuff. i guess :/ *hugs all*

This image is dedicated t Tex's post x3

Superlagg · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject:

Alot can happen in 25-50 years, we may get to the point where we can create these creatures within this timeframe, if not before. Technology will get to that point someday, humans' social adaption tends to get more tolerant over the years. If Furs were actually created, it would possibly go about in a fashion simlar to that of what happened with the slaves. They will likely be made, sold into slavery for a few generations, someone will step in and protest this, that will snowball into a huge campaign for equal rights towards Furs, a war might break out due to this, seeing that humans will work to the ends of heaven and hell to have something to allow them to not work (Ironic, huh?). This will likely happen for any new sentient creature that is able to move things and do labor so that humans dont have to. If this ever happens, Im signing for the Pro-Furry Rights army. I wont let some arrogant group of humans bring back what we fought for in the American Civil war.

About Furs in other countrys, dunno exactly. Canada might accept them quickly, one of the reasons that I love Canada; anywhere else, I dont know.

Though I could be wrong, maybe by the time we make Furs we would have pulled our heads out of our asses and relize that humans are in no position to call anything else less then them. Its starting to lean that way, but it might pull a pendulum and blast us back to the colonial days in terms of tollerance.

As for the story that was posted, it actually touched me! It friggin' touched me! No other story has done so before. Whoever wrote that must be one hellova writer to actually invoke feeing in me through words.

Joshua Fox · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:

... yeah... good luck with that. >_>

Before my brain begins to devour itself over some of the logic presented here, I think it would be helpful to play the Devil's Advocate (as I've certainly been referred to as "Satan" more than enough in the past) and flip this on its head.

What if, indeed, it was not these dreadful humans who were the persecuters, but the persecuted themselves in this little drama? If indeed they would be so superior as it has been suggested, then what's to keep them so very humble and tolerant?

Given that this is a very "fantastical" disccussion in and of itself, the suggestion that any of these new creatures would be so much better/worse/different from their creators seems quite the fantasy as well.

What seems more likely? Would they be free those awful, terrible habits and prejudices that have been so breezily categorized with humans, or would scenes like this be very possible indeed Twisted Evil

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Superlagg · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:

ScottyDM · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:28 am Post subject:

How about a couple of definitions?

The word anthropomorphic means to humanize something that is not human. A very broad definition. In college I painted a face on a rock and named it "Roxanne", so I anthropomorphized a rock. Robots, computers, aliens, anything can be anthropomorphized. I think what we care about is anthropomorphic animals--real or fanciful--from house cats to dragons.

Anthro: To me this is a creature or being who is part human and part something else. What they are is embedded in their genetic makeup and they should breed true to form.

Furry: A dedicated human fan of anthro art, stories, comics, etc. A casual fan of, say, Kevin & Kell, is not really a furry. Just as not everyone who watches one of the Star Trek spin-offs is a Trekkie.

I realize that this is counter to what some feel, who use anthro and furry (or some variation of furry) interchangeably. Words are just labels, it's the concepts behind the labels that matter. Note that there is a huge difference between the two concepts I've given, above.

Scotty

Superlagg · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:34 am Post subject:

Shadu · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:54 am Post subject:

i don't want to start anything but since i've been reading and noticing how religion is so into the topic i would recomend the book (cant remember the tittle exactly but i think it is..) "Incarnations of immortality". it gave me an outlook of God i'd never thought before and it goes much into what has been said here. to beleive or not is not all. science and religion are extremes on a line and i like to think of it as God being a Master in knowledge therefore he orchestrated things to end up in us existing. also i put out one question thats allways been nagging me, Who knows how long a day is to God?

after saying this i say again i'm not starting any religous war here i don't want to so don't take it as such please i don't want to ruin the thread.

now anthros, furries whoever you like to call them would be (if created by man) a simple proof of our greater understandig in Gods knowledge. but like i said before we must master ourselves before we can accept others or as it is said in religion 'you must first love yourself before you can truly love others.'

biologically however i don't think they'd evolve themselves. science i think, proved that while man is existing no other sentient life will evolve because man will probably (whether it be deliberatly or not) destroy said being. so it would probably be eather developes here or somehow come from space or something like that.

Finally. if i got the title right i recomend the book(s) its really good. i think i have it around here in ' .lit ' files and i really don't mind sharing but its up to you if you want me to send them.

PrincessB · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject:

ScottyDM · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject:

rodentone · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: And -- Anddrro -- that stuff

A human friend wanted me to shave my fur off and get a nose and tail job, to look more human. He said I could get a better job that way.

Heh. My opinion of such a thing is the same as about suicide. It might be fun to try if you could reverse it later. He, he.

Imagine looking like a stupid human? I don’t know how those hairless oafs stand it. We’re lucky we have our fur. They have to buy it every winter and we have a better coat for free.

It might be fine for some of you, but I prefer staying like the Supreme Rat made me.

Oscar Rat