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Would you bother with Christmas if no one else did?
Of course I would! Lights! Gifts!! Festivities gallore!!! I love Christmas!!!! :3
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Yeah, but I wouldn't go ballistic like we do now.
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I'd give gifts to those I really care about.
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Only a slight amount of festive cheer.
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I wouldn't bother at all.
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I'd hunt down everyone celibrating Christmas with a crossbow. >:3
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The huge commercialization gets me too, Saw the 1st signs the day after halloween.
We decorate inside and have 1 tree and a string of light outside. Mainly becouse my brothers active Air Force and he loves it when he comes home on leave.
As far as the gifts.. well its fun shopping for others.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the "Reason for the season" and give gifts to those I want to, but other than that my celebration of Christmas is low-key.

"Wise men seek Him still."

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually just buy a few gifts for my closest relatives, if I can, and just leave it at that. I don't really go all out for the holidays anyway so thats nothing new to me. I've never had any reason too. I don't hate Christmas I just don't like the parts that are blown out of proportions like the comercialisim (I hopeI spelled that right) or the over done and redone Christmas Songs. Doesn't any one song artists have any originality when it comes it christmas anymore. As it is the only real Christmas songs I still like are Silent Nite, Little Drummer Boy, and Happy Christmas by John Lennon. Thats it!

The only thing christmas related I ever put up every year is a christmas tree. All the old memories that come to mind as put every ornament I place. The joys i've had as a child. the loving memories as I decorated the tree in all of my past years each fresh in my mind. However I can no longer have such memories as of more recent years. Nothing was the same ater that christmas. After that year, thats when every thing went to
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*hugs Asalis*

there's always meaning you can find, you just have to make it your own...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the sentiment RenaBhal I'm used to it though. I'm lucky to have what I do have and theres no a day that I'm not greatful for it either. I know it's the memories that one remembers that makes the holidays great so I'm sorry I eneded that last post on a downward note. I get like that sometimes but I mean no harm by it. I wasn't looking for sympathy when I typed it but still thanks anyway. I still hold on to those ornaments filled with precious memories though. I hope to hold onto them for many more.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

screw the crossbow! Give me my Desert Eagles!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly?

Yes, but in a very SUBDUED manner, most likely only with immediate friends/family (many of whom are not christian, but it should be a holiday for friends and family, not for RETAIL...), and likely not until the 20th of Dec or so.

I work retail, you see, and I, too, am sick and tired of seeing Christmas decorations for THREE BLOODY MONTHS!!!

We had stuff for the holidays in the store back as of the last week of SEPTEMBER!!! Evil or Very Mad

It's really hard to get into the holiday spirit when you have to look at that all the time...

Rampant commercialism... *shudder*
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SkunkFox wrote:
screw the crossbow! Give me my Desert Eagles!


to true!, also for the record Santa was Green before Coke... wow thats one cool line i just rote Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we're on the subject of Christmas and commercialism, I'd like to repost a rant I posted on the 21st Century Fox forum. (I'd just post a link to my post, but I can't figure out how to do it).




I don't like getting into religious discussions. But I saw something on the 14th on the AP that really irked me...and this is as good a place as any to get it off my chest:

Conservatives Take On Christmas Cause (Note: the original story appears to have been deleted...but most of that article is reprinted here.

Basically, the article states that conservatives are annoyed that Christmas, the birth of the Christian savior, has become so secular. Actually, what irks them the most is the political correctness that comes with the winter holidays. They object to the fact that at this time of year, we wish people "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

While, of course, they complain bitterly (as they do each year) because government displays can't put up nativity scenes, crosses, and other religious trappings, they go much, much farther in this article.

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...a Raleigh, N.C., church recently paid $7,600 for a full-page newspaper ad urging Christians to spend their money only with merchants who include the greeting "Merry Christmas" in ads and displays.


Another quote that shocked me:

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"There is a revival taking place in our nation that is causing Christian and right-minded people to say, `Wait a minute. We've gone too far,'" says the Rev. Patrick Wooden Sr., pastor of the Raleigh church. "We're not going to allow the country to continue this downward spiral to the left."


Wow. Acknowledging that not everyone is a Christian is part of the "downward spiral to the left?"

I've mentioned before that I am of the Jewish faith. While I don't presume to speak for all Jewish and other non-Christians, allow me to comment on how I experience the Christmas season as a non-Christian.

[rant] Say that you live in America. You live a normal, happy life with your neighbors. Everyone gets along pretty well for 11 months out of the year.

Suddenly, it's April, time for the joyous holiday of Arbor Day! Everywhere you look, green signs and pictures of trees show up. Radio stations begin playing non-stop Arbor Day carols. Stores are having Arbor Day sales, urging everyone to shop, shop, shop for mulch, tools, and shovels. Everyone wishes you a "Merry Green Day!" You are invited to dozens of Arbor Day parties, where everyone is dressed in green and drinking pine nog. Up and down your block, homeowners are putting up green Arbor Day lights, decorating their maple trees, and putting up tacky plastic palm trees in their front yards. All the world is joyous and happy: "Trees in Earth, and Good Will Towards all Shrubs!"

All, that is, except you. You don't celebrate Arbor Day.

Maybe it's because you're allergic to trees. Maybe it's because you're color-blind, and just can't see the color green. Maybe it's because you live in an apartment and don't have your own yard. Or maybe you just don't believe in trees....your faith has you believing in beavers, instead.

You feel left out. Alone. Like you're not part of things. You're an oddball. People look at you awkwardly when you don't return their Arbor Day greetings. At school, the other students laugh at you: "If you don't celebrate Arbor Day, then where do you get your compost and other presents from?" "Don't play with him...HE doesn't believe in trees!"

The ever-present Arbor Day carols begin to grate on your nerves because, truth be told, while they may hold special emotional significance to Arborists, they really are dumb songs:

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"Oh maple tree, oh maple tree, how sticky is your syrup..."

"Deck the garden with lots of azaleas, lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala...."

"Can I plant you, a rum-a-dum-dump, by the stump?"


And if, by some measure of insanity, you speak up and say that the constant fixation on Arbor Day is driving you crazy, and that there should be a separation between Garden Center and State, you're looked at like you're the Onceler (from the Lorax). "He's the Anti-Green...his people killed the Lorax." "His type always have to try to spoil it for everyone else." They draw hateful sayings on the beaver dam you go to each week, maybe even try to burn it down.

"There's nothing wrong with Arbor Day," you say. "If you want to celebrate trees, go ahead. But stop forcing all of this greenery on me! Not everyone celebrates Arbor Day...is that a crime? Why can't we just say, 'Happy Spring?' That way the Arborists are covered, as are people with allergies, or who are colorblind, or who like beavers."

But no.

""There is a revival taking place in our nation that is causing Arborists and right-minded people to say, `Wait a minute. We've gone too far,'" says the Rev. Patrick Wooden Sr., pastor of the Rowan church. (Sorry...I couldn't change his name...it was too perfect as it was!)

...an arboretum recently paid $7,600 for a full-page newspaper ad urging Arborists to spend their money only with merchants who include the greeting "Happy Arbor Day" in ads and displays.

[/rant]

That, my friends, is what it's like to live as a Jew (or Muslim, or aetheist) in a Christian society during December.

Happy Holiday, y'all.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting....

I would love to see video feed of enrgaged christians shoving bibles down on people's throats.

personally i think that Jewish people celebrate Hanukah, that's cool, i attended my first one here in the states and had a wonderful time, Islamists celebrate Jihad, weeeeee ( i know its Ramadhan or something), and we christians celebrate Christmas. ... Funny how christmas is relevant and not Easter... altho neither celebration is mentioned in the bible... anyway...

Some rant about stuff getting out of hand, i rant abour people making a storm in a glass of water, my advice, DEAL WITH IT.

Put me as an example, i'm a christian, i love rum, i love smoking, i love ibuprophen, i love reading about other religions, history, societies, laws, i am able to barf on cue, i enjoy reading the bull crap that appears in the media, i love enjoying the holidays just as the next person, the difference is, i don't worry if the neighbor is drawning in bile because his dog expontaneusly exploded and burnt down the house. Point is, don't let a small peble on the road ruin your ride.

And for the record, i personally will not like if this thread goes into another religion rant.

Please, remember the forum poster's prayer:

*insert prefered deity's name here*, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.


And above all, have fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 points to El Kat. The holidays are about just that. HAVING FUN and ignoring all those trivial things that you've ran yourself ragged with for the last year.

Celibrate it religiously, commercially or passionately if you wish, but above all, have as much fun as possible. Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxx wrote:
Funny how christmas is relevant and not Easter... altho neither celebration is mentioned in the bible... anyway...


Neither is mentioned because they're both papal inventions of the Catholic Church to usurp pegan rituals.

Easter is the Spring fertility ritual (thus rabbits and egs, both symobolizing reproduction, the May Pole being the phallic symbol and etc.) while Christmas was an attempt to usurp the Winter Solstace, which is why we still have the evergreen pinetree at the center (representing continued life, etc...)

The Catholic Church went out of its way to conscript religious events belonging to other religions in the hopes that the pagans would forget their true origins.

Don't believe me? Go ask a Catholic Priest about it... preferrably a Jesuit. Those guys are pretty cool about describing the church's antics. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear, i know about the whole Calvinism thingie, and Constantinople.

Again, no more religion rants, please.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hikaru wrote:
Maxx wrote:
Funny how christmas is relevant and not Easter... altho neither celebration is mentioned in the bible... anyway...


Neither is mentioned because they're both papal inventions of the Catholic Church to usurp pegan rituals.

Easter is the Spring fertility ritual (thus rabbits and egs, both symobolizing reproduction, the May Pole being the phallic symbol and etc.) while Christmas was an attempt to usurp the Winter Solstace, which is why we still have the evergreen pinetree at the center (representing continued life, etc...)

The Catholic Church went out of its way to conscript religious events belonging to other religions in the hopes that the pagans would forget their true origins.

Don't believe me? Go ask a Catholic Priest about it... preferrably a Jesuit. Those guys are pretty cool about describing the church's antics. Smile

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Dead-center bullseye, H!.

I think it's funny (in an amusing way, not in a sad or ironic way) how folks go around talking about the Yuletide as if it had anything to do with a Christian celebration. The burning of the Yule log is a patently pagan tradition, and much, much older than the Celebration of the Mass of the Christ.

(Actually, although those lucky Latin Americans got to enjoy it Mr. Green , Christmas didn't catch on in the British Colonies for a long time, since it was thought of as a strictly Catholic thing.)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next thing we'll hear is the ACLU changing "Holly Night" to "Happy Night", stock up on prozac boys, post christmas depression will hit hard this year.
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